Living Off Rentals
We believe that a high quality rental property is the best investment a person can make. This podcast equips listeners to build a rental portfolio of their own. Each week host, Kirby Atwell, interviews someone who is living off rentals and identifies best practices, advice, and potential investing pitfalls to avoid!
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#314 - Why Buying a Second Home First Can Be a Smarter Path to Wealth - Katie Cline
<p >Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is an award-winning publicist, hospitality veteran, and short-term rental expert who has built a profitable portfolio by thinking differently about how and where to invest.</p> <p >Katie Cline is the host of the Second Home First podcast and Suite Success: Masters of Hospitality. She has worked behind the scenes with global luxury hotel brands including Ritz-Carlton, St. Regis, and W Hotels, and now applies those hospitality principles to her own short-term rental properties across upstate New York.</p> <p >Listen as Katie shares how buying her second home first...
#313 - How an Air Force Veteran Turned Remote Duplexes Into a STR Freedom Plan - Stephanie Bacue
<p >Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who built confidence, systems, and time freedom by learning real estate from the ground up.</p> <p >Stephanie Bacue is a U.S. Air Force veteran, short-term rental investor, and founder of Simply Welcome Stays. After transitioning from military service to corporate consulting, she began learning real estate as a complete beginner and went on to build a remote portfolio of short-term rental duplexes in Greenville, South Carolina.</p> <p >Listen as she shares how she bought her first duplex remotely, why she chose Greenville as her market...
#312 - Turning Vacant Retail Buildings Into High Cash-Flow Self-Storage - David Pelusio Sr.
<p >Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a seasoned real estate developer with more than five decades of hands-on experience across residential, commercial, and industrial properties.</p> <p >David Pelusio Sr. has spent over 55 years building, owning, and operating assets ranging from warehouses and shopping centers to large-scale self-storage facilities. Today, his focus is on converting vacant big-box retail buildings into climate-controlled self-storage.</p> <p >Listen as David breaks down why self-storage has remained resilient through economic cycles, how buying properties at the right price creates massive upside, and why underutilized retail spaces present one of...
#311 - Why Building Income Matters More Than Building Wealth - Dustin Heiner
<p >Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is returning guest Dustin Heiner, real estate investor, coach, and founder of Master Passive Income.</p> <p >Dustin has been on the show more times than any other guest, and for good reason. </p> <p >After getting laid off from his government job, he began buying rental properties with a clear focus on cash flow. By his late 30s, his rental income had replaced his W-2, giving him full control over his time.</p> <p >In this conversation, Dustin shares why income, not net worth, is the real path to f...
#310 - Just Buy a House Already Using Subject-To Deals - William Tingle
<p >Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is William Tingle, a creative real estate investor, coach, and author of the new book, Just Buy a House Already. William first appeared on the show in 2023, and our conversation picks up right where his story leaves off.</p> <p >After leaving a demanding career in the restaurant industry, William built his business around subject-to and seller-financed deals that generate cash flow without tenants, heavy rehabs, or traditional rentals.</p> <p >Listen as he shares how subject-to deals really work, why clear communication and transparency with sellers matters, and how...
#309 - Building Financial Freedom Through 20+ Real Estate Deals While Serving in the Military - Stu Grazier
<p >Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is a Naval Academy graduate, retired Navy pilot, and lifelong entrepreneur who quietly built real estate wealth while serving 20 years in the military.</p> <p >Stu Grazier's journey started long before real estate podcasts were mainstream. From flipping raw land and house hacking in San Diego before the term even existed, to private lending during deployments, he shares how he built wealth by taking action, learning through failure, and staying disciplined while others partied away their paychecks.</p> <p >This episode is packed with real-world perspective and hard-won wisdom. Listen...
#308 - From Academia to Airbnb: Turning Data into Dollars with Short-Term Rentals - Drew Ivey
<p >What happens when a former cancer researcher and college professor applies a data-driven mindset to short-term rentals?</p> <p >Joining us in this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who spent 12 years teaching college biology and advising future doctors and pre-med students. Today, he's a short-term rental investor focused on building cash flow and flexibility through data-driven decisions.</p> <p >Drew Ivey shares his journey from academia into real estate investing, and how one well-researched short-term rental deal reshaped his financial future. He breaks down how data, patience, and intentional design helped him land a high-performing duplex in...
#307 - Building a W-2 Exit Plan with Short-Term Rentals - Stephen Arnaud
<p >In this episode of Living Off Rentals, host Kirby Atwell sits down with Stephen Arnaud, an engineer, W-2 employee, and father of three, who's intentionally building his path out of the 9-to-5 through short-term rentals.</p> <p >Stephen shares why, even though he enjoys his career, the demands of a W-2 job started to conflict with family life and long-term freedom. Like many high-performing professionals, he realized that traditional investing alone wasn't going to give him the flexibility he wanted anytime soon. That realization led him to short-term rentals.</p> <p >If you are still working a 9-to-5 but...
#306 - Saving Historic Buildings and Creating Value Through Smart Redevelopment - Kevin Kreger
<p >Joining us for today's episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who specializes in historic preservation projects that many investors overlook, but can be transformed into high-performing rental assets.</p> <p >Kevin Kreger is Kirby Atwell's longtime friend and a construction expert. He is the founder of On Point Construction and Fiddle Leaf Development. He breaks down how he transitioned into design-build work and eventually into restoring historic downtown buildings with serious cash-flow potential.</p> <p >Listen as they dive deep into why historic properties aren't as intimidating as they seem, how to uncover hidden square footage, and why...
#305 - Building $50K/Month in Passive Income Without Wall Street - Joey Mure
<p >Joining us on this episode of Living Off Rentals is someone who teaches people how to build income streams on their own terms.</p> <p >Joey Mure is the co-founder of Wealth Without Wall Street, a platform dedicated to helping people rethink traditional money advice and create passive income that gives people more control over their lives. </p> <p >Once a high-earning corporate professional who felt constantly pulled away from his family, Joey now generates over $50,000 a month in passive income and guides others through the system for building passive income streams that helped him reclaim his time.</p> <p...
